the labs at boston u. closed for us at 14:00 today so it was an unexpectedly short day. rex had to catch his 17:00 flight anyways, so it all sort of worked out anyways i suppose.
we discussed default package contents and what settings to look into for customization for fedora 7. looks like f7 stands a good chance of having really nice kde packages thanks both to the fedora community expanding their embrace of the community in general (merging core and extras is a nice move, too) and rex and other kde fans putting in the time and effort.
there are still things that could be better, but aren't there always. =) i feel that this was a weekend well spent working due to the gains. i also got to talk about kde4, qt4, greenphone (one of which arrived just before leaving for boston), freedesktop.org, etc... i think a few people were tired of hearing about fd.o after a morning discussion of it involving several of the desktop team members. it's an important topic, however.
interestingly, some view gnome and kde as being analogous to mac and windows: separate platforms, people don't move between them often and so standardizing things such as default application storage isn't very interesting. i happen to agree that not everything should be or needs to be standardized so as not to get in the way of each project's personal vision(s) and innovation, but i'm also sympathetic to those who manage large mixed deployments and operating system vendors who are forced to do more work and trickery to get things harmonized. it's an interesting discussion as to where that balance exists, particularly since there isn't a general consensus on the matter even within projects.
overall i was very impressed by the fedora and red hat communities. they're doing some solid engineering and put a lot of thought and personal passion into things. i'm going to keep a closer eye on the next couple of releases of fedora; it'll be interesting to see what emerges, what works, what doesn't and how their community evolves.
personally i've had a couple of early, though thoroughly enjoyable, evenings. some of the other people have partied a wee bit harder than i (to say the least), but i wasn't particularly in the mood. i did get out last night with a couple of local linux enthusiasts and rex for a couple of pints at a nice brew pub where the beer was good, the conversation interesting and the atmosphere relaxing. i leave for back home tomorrow morning at 11:00 and hopefully things go better on the way back than they did on the way here =)
Sunday, February 04, 2007
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hello
happy to see fedora strongly support KDE again, but unfortunately we have to wait till fedora 8 to see KDE4
seigo mon ami elle es ou ton Plasma
Glad to see you back again, take a brake, and see you on Wednesday
Did you ever get your luggage?
Jaye
> unfortunately we have to wait till
> fedora 8 to see KDE4
I promise you, as soon as kde4 is packagable (add parallel-deployable with kde3), you'll see kde4 for Fedora asap.
Even though I used almost exclusivly KDE, I like Gnome and KDE to be in sync as much as possible. I like the idea that I can migrate to Gnome, or run a mix of Gnome/KDE/other anytime - even though I have never actually done that.
In short, just because nobody uses a feature doesn't mean it isn't nice to have.
The "parallel-deployable with kde3" (read: usable as the same user(s) without making config files unreadable for KDE 3, and without KDE 4 thinking it's running in a full KDE 4 session when it's actually in KDE 3 and vice-versa) part is the real problem. I tried to patch the heck out of it to make that work, and that did work, but I don't really have the time to keep the patches up to date, so my packages have been collecting dust. :-( If upstream KDE made safe parallel-installability a priority (hint: unversioned KDE* environment variables (KDEDIRS, KDE_FULL_SESSION etc.) and unversioned .kde default directories are both poison for safe parallel-installability), that would make life easier for us. (Hint, hint... ;-) )
Having both KDE and GNOME contend for the Linux desktop is a blessing in disguise.
Yes, I mean that. It ultimately forces standardization to come about like we are seeing now, bottom up.
If it were just KDE or just GNOME ruling the Linux desktop we would end up with something comparable to the opaque blobs that the Windows and Mac OS desktops are.
I can already see the synthesis of GNOME and KDE (and the rest), where a particular desktop is a mere choice and customization of
standard functionality.
That will enable some unimagined innovation in the
desktop space, leaving Windows and Mac OS behind.
-Hans
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