today Sebastian Sauer rocked the plasma by finishing off the simple classic k-menu style app launcher. it uses the same core code as kickoff, but presents the results as a simple menu. that's how you complain in the free software world: with bug reports, feedback and ultimately patches.
Sebastian: i owe you a pint next time we meet up =)
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Yay, now there's only one KDE 3 feature that I miss in KDE 4: scrollwheel-over-panel window switching - the ultimate Alt-Tab replacement.
Will that be eventually implemented?
@alec: "Will that be eventually implemented?"
i think the plasma-panel isn't completely finished yet
so i think so...
will raptor be the default menu in the future?
KDE4 doesn't make my breakfast for me in the morning, or pick out my outfits.
It sucks and I'll never use it.
That's a big improvement, The KickOff application menu was really poorly considered (The selection of icons at the bottom is still good though). So I am glad. Now to get the Plasma selection on the top right out of the way, once a desktop is configured it's very rare that one would make changes (One you have the right menu, system bar, sys tray etc you won't ever want to change them, then desktop information applets novelty appeal will wear off quickly) so I don't think it deserves a constant location on screen.
When i'm talking with old friends - users of KDE3 - I hear:
" KickOff isn't bed. "Favourites" is really nice feature, "Recently installed applications" is also very nice. " etc... It is really an improvement over KDE3 KMenu.
So in real live people like KickOff. At blogs/dot.kde.org it is opposite. Almost funny.
YES!
err.. I mean, that's great there is a Kickoff alternative for KDE4..
@Anonymous:
KDE4 doesn't make my breakfast for me in the morning, or pick out my outfits.
Aah. You better be looking for a valet. What are you doing here?
;-)
so asking in #kde4-devel "is plasma is crashing also for you" is not a valid way...?
now, you are going to tell me that doing this in blogs is not valid as well...?
I'd buy him a beer as well. Thanks a lot.
-Jörg
I will be buying him a beer too. I appreciate his clear bug report and reasoning behind needing a simple classic kmenu in plasma. I very much share his reasoning. Glad to see the right way to do it in action. Learning a lot!
@alec: "Will that be eventually implemented?"
well, some time ago i attempted to implement it but i hadn't too much luck, i still don't know wery well the inner workings :)
i will definitely try again if someone isn't faster than me to implement if of course :P
From what I've seen, Lancelot looks be the most promising menu for KDE4, but anything over the current KickOff would be an improvement :)
Wow! That was fast. I'd love a screenshot. In the mean time, I'll update kde4daily.
I kept telling people "plasmoids will be so easy to develop, we'll have tons of competing Start Menus." Glad to see I was right!
I myself am still waiting for raptor. That's the one I call innovative.
Kicker is similar to the windows 95 menu, kickoff is the way the Windows XP menu should have been. Raptor is absolutely unlike anything else.
@Dave Taylor: "Now to get the Plasma selection on the top right out of the way"
needed for zooming and other items, sorry. how does it get in your way, exactly?
"then desktop information applets novelty appeal will wear off quickly"
since it's not easy to grasp the full concept behind plasmoids and desktop containments, i can understand how you might arrive at this conclusion.
however, i think you are selling it all quite short. remember that the applets aren't just about information; they are interactive. you can have more than one set of them and a quick ctrl+f12 brings them forward (though i think i'm going to either switch it completely or add ctrl+alt+D to it for kde3 compat).
just wait until you get to try out some of the more interesting plasmoids like a realtime scrolling timeline.
"then desktop information applets novelty appeal will wear off quickly"
dude. twitter plasmoid. 'nuff said.
strangely enough, I find myself... *using* kickoff. as in, I could hit alt-f2 and watch poor laggy krunner struggle with my typing, but instead I find myself going into the menu, and not completely hating it.
of course, I'm sure that'll change when I get all my fav. apps running 24/7 and stick icons on the panel for the rest. :) ...but actually, the 'favourites' part of kickoff may turn out to be more useful for me than icons on the panel. takes less space.
@kwilliam
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